[6], The following tree and data is from descendant Gail Smith, and is sourced from Bergen's Early Settlers of Kings Co, NY page 376 1818 RoBERT M. b. r822 WM. The number of the crew is not stated. Stephen Courten and wife Willemtje Seubering. You can customize the cemeteries you volunteer for by selecting or deselecting below. 1713 www.conovergenealogy.com/ancestor-p/p223.htm#i9119. On May 5, 1714, he bought from his brother, Lucas Stevense Van Voorhees, 280 acres of land in Middlesex Co., New Jersey, " beginning 80 chains from the Raritan river by the land of Cornelius Langstreet, running thence S. W. 80 chains, from thence at right angles 35 chains the course being N. 45 degrees W., thence N. E. 80 chains, from thence to the place of beginning.". 1689 WFT Est. Had we cows and hogs and other cattle that are to be sent to us we would not wish to return. 1679, d. 1679 Stephen Albertse Terheune+ b. Y., " and a little later of "Tombstone Inscriptions from the Churchyard of the Dutch Church, Fishkill, N . Just one grandparent can lead you to many Flowers added to the memorial appear on the bottom of the memorial or here on the Flowers tab. Treasurer. He died a 20. Category: Early Dutch immigrants to the United States. In the course of time arms were registered to prevent improper use, and the Herald's College in England came to be recognized as having more power than any similar institution on the continent. Coert Stevense (Van Voorhees) was commissioned Captain of foot soldiers by Lieut.-Gov. T H E FAMIL Y GENEALOGIST 3 World, which commenced April 15, 1660. Officers and an Executive Committee were elected, and a series of By-laws accepted with directions that the Committee draft them in suitable form. Printed in the L'ntted States ot America By Thatcher-Anders in Company New Brunswick. It is thus described in an early document : "The Course lies toward the Canary Islands, thence to the Indian Islands,then toward the mainland of Virginia, steering right across, leaving the Bahamas on the left, and the Bermudas on the right, where the winds are variable with which the land is made." Info from GENEALOGY of the VAN VOORHEES FAMILY in America or the Descendants of Steven Corte Van Voorhees of New York City New York and London G.P. ; b. ; d. ; m. , Jan Kiers; b. ; d. Hendrickje Stevense Van Voorhees, b. , d. ; m. 1, Jan Kierstead, b. ; d. ; m. 2d, Albert Albertse Terhune, of Flatlands, L.I., and afterwards of Hackensack, N.J., bap. They were happy at the thought that they wereto sustain at this outpost of civilization the loved and cherished characteristics of the Dutch Republic. Son of Steven Coerts van Voorhees and Willemtje Roelofs Seuberinge Translation on Find a Grave is an ongoing project. The first part of twenty-five pages, consists of introductory matter, something respecting sources of information concerning members of the family in Holland, translations of letters received from them, and such information as had been secured respecting Steven Koerte, as the name appears on the passenger list of De Bonte Kou on its voyage from Holland to the New 'This province is spelled on the earlier map, Drentia; on the later, Drente. In 1664, he was a magistrate of what is now Flatlands [4] and founder of the Dutch Reformed Church in present-day Flatlands, Brooklyn . 1640 Wessel Stevensz Van Voorhees b. I T H E FAMIL Y GENEALOGIST AN D HI S WOR K I T IS fortunate that there is available so complete and valuable a genealogy of the Van Voorhees Family as that monumental workcompiled by Elias W. Van Voorhis and published in 1888, but now out of print. This account already exists, but the email address still needs to be confirmed. Those who kept church records seemed less careful than did the keepers of civic records. Sorry! 1643, d. 1708, married aft 1664. Father, Steven Coerte immigrated to "Nieuw Amsterdam" with his wife and eight children (and one son-in-law) in 1660. But to each and to all has descended the family shield and its motto, And from henceforth for aye we should cherish this as the choicest possession, And thank the great Giver of all that 'tis our good fortune to share it. Now on the soil ofthe new world at New Amersfoort Steven Coerten and Mother Willempie, with their vigorous brood shod in wooden shoes, and dressed as fashion decreed for the well-to-do of Drente, looked about for a location for a home. To all to whom these presents shall come or may concern, Greeting : Know ye, that at Kings County, the twentieth day of November instant, before Richard Stillwell, Es- quire, being thereunto duly authorized and appointed, the last Will and Testament of John Stevenson was proved, and now approved and allowed of by me, having while he lived, and at the time of his death, Goods, Rights, and Credits in divers places within this Province, by means whereof the full disposition of all and singular the Goods, Rights, and Credits of the said deceased and the granting administration of them, as also the hearing of accounts, calculations or reckoning, and the final discharge and dis- mission from the same, unto me solely and not unto any other inferior judge, are manifestly known to belong, and the administration of all and singular the Goods, Rights ? In May 1696 a church meeting was held at the home of Elder Albert Stevense in Hackensack. The four mothers could count on the young wife of Jan Kiers and the three maidens to help them with the care of the children. Steven Coerten died on February 16. He was the son of Steven Coerts Van Voorhees and Aeltje Wessels. His will is not extant, but on a copy of a document of 1679, five years before his death, the name is written Steven Coerten. If it resembled others of the time it was about 170 feet long, 49 feet beam, and about 20 feet depth of hold. Then came his daughter Hendrickje, and her husband, Jan Kiers, eagerly seeking a place where youthful energy might find suitable opportunity for initiative. Albert Coerte, married (first) Sara W . ORIGI N OF TH E VA N VOORHEES FAMIL Y 15 As early as 1542 we find the name of Coert thoe Hees in the Ordel Boeck, Vol. Previously sponsored memorials or famous memorials will not have this option. From that village as a center, one trail led southwestwardly toward Gravesend and beyond to the Narrows near Fort Hamilton, and northeastwardly to the East River at Newtown Creek, corresponding generally to the present Kings Highway ; the other led northwestwardly in the general direction of the present Flatbush Avenue toward what is now downtown Brooklyn, and southeastwardly a short distance tothe "Shell Banks" at Mill Island on the shores of Jamaica Bay. We will review the memorials and decide if they should be merged. [7], Coert was one of the Kings County representatives to the New York Assembly in 1692 and 1693. 3 (2007): 12:75. T H E FAMIL Y GENEALOGIST 5 In correct Dutch usage Coerten and Stevensen were masculine, and Coerte and Stevense, feminine. Had nine sons and five daughters. While acknowledging the valued assistance of numerous correspondents, he expressed regret that the neglect of others necessitated many omissions. ", Hoff, Henry B. Under date of October 4, 1667, Governor Nicolls issued a patent, known as the Nicolls Charter, to eight named inhabitants of "Amesfort als Flatlands." It may be that members of the Council, and perhaps also the doughty Director General, Peter Stuyvesant, came down to welcome them. Are you sure that you want to delete this photo? 12, No. Examples are the ter Linden, ten Broeck and ten Eyck, and ver Donck family names. Please reset your password. He was registered on De Bonte Koe as Steven Koerte, and similarly when making his first purchase of land, though all documents indicate that his father's name was spelled Coert. He married Marretje Gerretse Van Kouwenhoven, daughter of Gerret Wolfersen Van Kouwenhoven and Aeltje Cornelis Cool, before 1664. Long Island generally was quite heavily wooded and much of it stony and difficult to till. 'This was April 4 according to the calendar now in use. In 1673 the Amersfoort or Flatlands Town records were destroyed by fire, wiping out much evidence of prior land transfers, and making the tracing of early land titles very difficult. II 1708-1728), Collections of the New York Historical Society (New York: Printed for the Society, 1893), page 29. Steven Coerts Van Voorhees was born in 1600 at Hees, Drenthe, Netherlands. Hilbert apparently took over the stewardship of the manor of Voorhees after his brother Coert's death, for he is mentioned in 1584, -and in that office in 1592, when it was still nominally under the monastery of Dikninge. The peculiar and characteristic supreme court of Drenthe existed through all the ages, ancient, middle, and modern, until 1795, the end of the Dutch Republic. David William Voorhees, editor, Records of The Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Flatbush, Kings County, New York, Vol.1, 1677-1720 (New York: Holland Society of New York, 1998), page 353. Stevense VAN VOORHEES (4) ALBERT J. HOPPER(1717 - 1795)m. ALYEA(1723 - bef. ), Van Nice Family History 1661-1979, or Vannice, Van Nuis, Van Nuys. In explanation he wrote on November 18, 1886, to Miss Josephine L. Voorhees of Amsterdam, N . Genealogies of more recent date give fuller informationon fewer pages. T. CONTENTS PAGE I THE FAMILY GENEALOGIST AND HIS WORK 1 II THE FAMILY COAT OF ARMS 7 III ORIGIN OF THE VAN VOORHEES FAMILY 11 IV STEVEN COERTEN'S MIGRATION 16 VSTATE AND CHURCH ON LONG ISLAND 22 VI THE FAMILY ARRIVES AT NEW AMERSFOORT 26 VII LETTERS FROM THE HOME LAND 38 VIII THE VAN VOORHEES FAMILY AT GRAVESEND 42 IX VAN VOORHEES FAMILIES IN NEW JERSEY 47 X THE DUTCH COLLEGE ON THE RARITAN 54 XI THE FIRST CLERGYMAN 58 XII IN THE WAR FOR AMERICAN INDPENDANCE 61 XIII FRIENDS OF WASHINGTON 63 XIV CAPTAIN PETER VOORHEES, HERO AND MARTYR 66 XV THE WILDERNESS TRAIL 69 XVI A TALE FROM THE WAR OF 1812 75 XVII A VOORHEES IN NAVAL ANNALS 79 XVIII THE FAMILY IN LOUISIANA 83 XIX FOUNDERS OF A CENTURY-OLD FIRM 92 XX DANIEL VAN VOORHIS, SILVERSMITH 95 XXI A STORY FROM MEXICO 97 XXII MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY IN POLITICAL LIFE 101 XXIII THE VOORHEES COLONNADE IN DENVER 109 XXIV A UNIQUE EDUCATIONAL PROJECT 112 XXV Two MEMBERS OF SPIRITUAL VISION 116 XXVI Two VOORHEES REUNIONS 119 FOREWORD The plan to form a Van Voorhees Association was approved at a meeting held in the Church House of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Flatlands, Brooklyn, New York, January 16, 1932. He married Elena Vander Schure in 1693 at Dutch Reformed Church, Hackensack, Bergen County, New Jersey. abt 1692 Flatbush, Kings, New York, United States Death? Stephen Coerts Van Voorhees was born on month day 1600, at birth place, to Coert Albertse Van Voorhees and Mergin Van Voorhees. 140 East 54th St.. New Vork, N . For memorials with more than one photo, additional photos will appear here or on the photos tab. Stephen Robin Voris 2526 East 26th St.. Brooklyn, N . We encourage you to research and . Jan is shown in the Ordel Boeck, Vol. It is thus evident that the name, though having its origin in Drente, is American, and not Dutch as our genealogist believed. Signed his name "Koert, Stevensen" and at times "Koert Stevensen Van Ruinen". He was also known as Steven Coerte Van Voorhees. 5 Dec 1680, Johannes Coerte Van Voorhees b. When Albert Coert Van Voorhees was born about 1670, in New Amsterdam, New Netherland, his father, Coert Stevense van Voorhees, was 34 and his mother, Marritje Gerritse van Couwenhoven, was 11668. 1640, d. 28 Oct 1702 Hendrickje Stevense Van Voorhees b. ca. Let us then the name of Van Voorhees and the family tradition and motto With ardor and kindling devotionuphold and protect and cherish. 3 Jun 1678, Annetie Coerte Van Voorhees b. Histories have been published of theReformed Churches at Brooklyn, Flatbush, New Utrecht and Gravesend, which recount the beginnings of the several settlements, and of the development in them of civic and religious activities. If you notice a problem with the translation, please send a message to [emailprotected] and include a link to the page and details about the problem. Item, It is further my will that immediately after my loving wife's decease, all my whole estate of houses, lands, meadows, hereditaments and appurtenances thereunto belonging, or in any ways appertaining, either in the Town of Flatlands or elsewhere, shall be sold to the best advantage, and the moneys as shall arise by the sale of my aforesaid estate shall be equally divided among my eleven children, by name, Stephen, Auken, Willemtie, John, Roelof, Magdelena, Lucas, Albert, Abraham, Femmetje, and Jacobus, unto them and each of them, and every of their heirs and assigns forever. In this vicinity they laboriously cut out and polished the shell beads called sewan or wampum then used as money throughout the Atlantic seaboard. Steven Coerte, married Agatha Janse. This aforesaid land, house-lot and house and the above are sold and shall be surrendered to the purchaser free and unincumbered, without any burdens resting thereupon or eminating therefrom, savings the Lord's right. Later researches add something to the information here given regarding the family and its name in the Netherlands, as is revealed in the next chapter. He was a grandson of William Roe Van Voorhis of Fishkill Village, New York, who had been a major of the 149th New York State Infantry in the War of 1812. In Midwout, November 29, 1660, A.D., Appeared before me Adriaen Hegeman, herein Secretaryof Midwcut and Amesvoort in New Netherland, and before the hereafter name 1 witnesses, Corneles Dercsen Plooghlant on the one side and Steven 30 T H E VA N VOORHEES HISTORICAL HANDBOOK Koerten on theother ; the said Cornells Dircksz Hooghlant acknowledging that he has sold and he, Steven Koerten, that he has bought of him, a parcel of maize land situate within Amesfoort, between the bowery of Wolffert Gerritsen Van Couwenhoven and Frans Jensen, Timmerman (carpenter), wide on the west side thirty-six rods, on the east side thirty-two rods, large nine morgens ; further a piece of woodland situate north of the land of Elbert Elbertsz, south of Frans Jansz, wide on the east side thirty-two rods, on the west side twentyfour rods, running from the maize land to the land of Spysser, about west-northwest, large seven morgens ; a piece upon the Flats, lying between the Town and Jan Martensz, wide thirty-eight rods, large ten morgens ; a piece of Meadow situate between Spyser and Jacob V an Couwenhoven, large five morgens : amounting together to thirtyone morgens : together with the house and house-lot lying and being in the Town of Amesfoort, and the hay ricks, with the brew house and allthe brewing implements, kettles, tubs, vats and all that belongs thereunto, with a wagon, plow and iron harrow, with two oxen, together with the grain that is at present sowed upon the said land and four schepels of pease and four schepels of buckwheat. As to his family in Holland, I have a translation of letters written in Holland to his brothers in Flatlands, dated 1684, 1687, and 1699, which show that the family were both prosperous and well educated. The immediate objective of the Association was to arrange to commemorate fittingly in 1935, on or near the site of the original family homestead in Flatlands, the 275th anniversary of the arrival in New Netherland in the early summer of 1660 of Steven Coerten, who came from the Manor of Voorhees, Province of Drente, Netherlands, with wife and seven children, and their settlement a few months later in Flatlands, Long Island. Coert Stevense Van Voorhees purchased bought of John Tilton all his real estate on 8-Mar-1691 at Gravesend, Kings County, New York. There is but one Van Voorhees family in this country, for all are descendants of Steven Coerten-from the manor of Voorhees in Drente. 2. There was first father Steven Coerten, a patriarch indeed ! It is evident that the Dutch were much given to home or pet names, which were often entered in church and civil records, and also in wills. May the book encourage not so much pride of ancestry as pride in achievement. The email does not appear to be a valid email address. Albert had 5 siblings: Lucas Stevense van Voorhees, Coert Stevense Stephense Van Voorhees and 3 other siblings. A serious illness, from which he is happily recovering, deprives us of the privilege of reading the story as he would have written it. Oops, some error occurred while uploading your photo(s). Though Elias W. Van Voorhis was a Lif e Member of the New York Historical Society, to which he donated copies of his books, its recordsdo not contain any recognition of his work, nor was any resolution of appreciation adopted at the time of his death. Office of the Sec. 22STATE AND CHURCH ON LONG ISLAND 23 In accordance with the Dutch method, church and civic life were closely associated. 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