The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Yeah. A few years ago, Krista hosted an event in Detroit a city in flux on the theme of raising children. And then thats also the space for us to sort of walk in as a reader being like, Whats happening here? But its about more than that. We prioritize busyness. Before the new apartment. On Being with Krista Tippett December 6, 2016. letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and if we declared a clean night, if we stopped being terrified. And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. In between my tasks, I find a dead fledgling, I dont even mourn him, just all matter-of-, fact-like take the trowel, plant the limp body, thing, forever close-eyed, under a green plant, in the ground, under the feast up above. And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. Two entirely different brains. Tippett: You see what I did? They are honoring and recovering the fullness of the human experience the life of the mind, the truth of the body, the wild mystery of the spirit, and our need for each other. Its the . the date at the top of a letter; though you can keep it until its needed, until you can The listener wants to understand the humanity behind the words of the other, and patiently summons one's own best self and one's own best words and questions.". Shes written, Science polishes the gift of seeing, Indigenous traditions work with gifts of listening and language. An expert in moss a bryologist she describes mosses as the coral reefs of the forest. Robin Wall Kimmerer opens a sense of wonder and humility for the intelligence in all kinds of life we are used to naming and imagining as inanimate. And it was just me, the dog, and the cat, and the trees. But I want you to read it second, because what I found in. But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. Page 40. I just set my wash settings to who Id like to be in 2023: Casual, Warm, Normal., Limn: Yeah, that was true. I mean, thats how we read. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. I want to say first of all, how happy I am to be doing something with Milkweed, which I have known since I moved to Minnesota, I dont know, over a quarter century ago, to be this magnificent but quiet, local publisher. She is a former host of the poetry podcast. And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of. It began as "Speaking of Faith" in July 2003, and was renamed On Being in 2010. Tippett: And we were given to remember that civilization is built on something so tender as bodies breathing in proximity to other bodies. And that was in shorter supply than one would think. And I knew immediately that it was a love poem and a loss poem. Centuries of pleasure before us and after. She loves the ocean. And I think when were talking about this, were talking about who we are right now, because were all carrying this. So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. fact-like take the trowel, plant the limp body Tippett: Yeah. And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. And we were given to remember that civilization is built on something so tender as bodies breathing in proximity to other bodies. We havent read much from, , which is a wonderful book. Seems like a good place for a close-eyed Our closing music was composed by Gautam Srikishan. a finalist for the National Book Award. body. And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. I think there are things we all learned also. Tippett: So I feel like the last one Id like for you to read for us is A New National Anthem, which you read at your inauguration as Poet Laureate. (Unedited) The Dalai Lama, Jonathan Sacks, Katharine Jefferts Schori, and Seyyed Hossein Nasr with Krista Tippett. And then I would be like, Okay, I was there. And the next day Id wake up and be like, Well, I was there yesterday. Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). And place is always place. kitchen tables, two sets of rules, two On Being with Krista Tippett. for the safety of others, for earth, And theyre like, Oh, I didnt know that was a thing.. It unfolded at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis, in collaboration with Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Ada Limns publisher, Milkweed Editions. The Adventure of Civility. Yeah. What. I think there was also he also was a singer, so he would just sing. I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high. Krista Tippett (2) Rsultats tris par. Rate. And what of the stanzas And then you can also be like, Im a little anxious about this thing thats happening next week. Or all of these things, it makes room for all of those things. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. And Im sure it does for many of you, where you start to think about a phrase or a word comes to you and youre like, Is that a word? Youre like, With. And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. And you could so a lot of what he knew in Spanish and remembered in Spanish were songs. Tippett: And when you say I know one shouldnt take poems apart like this, but The thesis is the river. What does that mean? And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. Tippett: I dont expect you to have the page number memorized. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and . In all kinds of lives, in all kinds of places, they are healers and social creatives. You should take a nap. [laughter] I know its cruel. Tippett: That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. Oh my. Shes written six books of poetry, most recently, won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her volume, . Copyright 2023. 1. If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? In me, a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. But when we talk about the limitations of language in general, I find language is so strange. And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. In generational time, they are stitching relationship across rupture. Before I bury him, I snap a photo and beg, my brother and my husband to witness this, nearly clear body. and what I do not say is: I trust the world to come back. And then it hits you or something you, like you touch a doorknob, and it reminds you of your mothers doorknob. Actually, thats in Bright Dead Things. and gloss. Youre going to be like, huh. Or youll just be like, That makes total sense to me., At the top of the mountain This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you. [audience laughs] I have a lot of poems that basically are that. On Being is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. The one that always misses where Im not. I do think I enjoy it. We have never been exiled. Theres daytime silent when I stare, and nighttime silent when I do things. And Im not sure Ive had a conversation across all these years that was a more unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief. I feel like theres so many elements to that discovery. These full-body experiences of isolation and ungrieved losses and loneliness and fear and uncertainty. On Being Studios's tracks [Unedited] Ocean Vuong with Krista Tippett by On Being Studios And theres sort of an invitation at the end. I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. Then three years later, Tippett left American Public Media to create her own production company, Krista Tippett Public Productions, which has aligned with WNYC/New York Public Radio to distribute the show to affiliates nationwide. I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and more towards stretching into this world ahead with dignity, wisdom and joy. And I hope, I dont think anybody here will mind. Unknown. And whats good for my body and my mental health. All of those things. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. It unfolded at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis, in collaboration with Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Ada Limns publisher, Milkweed Editions. So I think thats where, for me, I found any sort of sense of spirituality or belonging. In between my tasks, I find a dead fledgling, So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. joy, foundational, that brief kinship of hold But the song didnt mean anything, just a call All came, and still comes, from the natural world. This is a gift. And that reframing was really important to me. Yeah. [laughs]. But I think you are a prodigy for growing older and wiser. We meet longings for justice and healing by equipping for reflection, repair, and joy. squeal with the idea of blissful release, oh lover. It is still the river. Where being at ease is not okay. Its the , Limn: We literally. We prioritize busyness. a certain light does a certain thing, enough As we turn the corner from pandemic, although we will not completely turn the corner, I just wanted to read something you wrote on Twitter, which was hilarious. And the title comes from when youre planting a tree and youre looking for where the sun is the right space, you can draw where the circles are, and theyll tell you to plant where the circles overlap. Limn: I think its definitely a writing prompt too, right? Good conflict. Technology and vitality. But in reality its home to so many different kind of wildlife. So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. Alice Parker Singing Is the Most Companionable of Arts. and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. An electric conversation with Ada Limns wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. I feel like the short poem, maybe read that one, the After the Fire poem is such a wonderful example of so much of what weve been talking about, how poetry can speak to something that is impossible to speak about. I mean, isnt this therapeutic also for us all to laugh about this now, also to know that we can laugh about it now? [Laughter] I feel like I could hear that response, right? I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops One Art, and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. now even when it is ordinary. Ada Limn reads her poem, "Dead Stars.". I mean, even that question you asked, What am I supposed to do with all that silence? Thats one way to talk about the challenge of being human and walking through a life. We are located on Dakota land. And I remember sitting on my sofa where I spent an inordinate amount of time, and reading it. And poetry, and poetry. Limn: Exactly. Kalliopeia Foundation. unnoticed, sometimes covered up like sorrow, So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. Yet what Amanda has gone on to investigate and so, so helpfully illuminate is not just about journalism, or about politics. And shes animated by questions emerging from those loves and from the science she does which we scarcely know how to take seriously amidst so much demoralizing bad ecological news. Ada Limn. Im Krista Tippett, and this is On Being. I just saw her. Science and the Human Spirit. Many of us were having different experiences. Thats so wonderful. The bright side is not talked about. Special thanks this week to Daniel Slager, Yanna Demkiewicz, and Katie Hill at Milkweed Editions. So I love it when I feel like the conversations Im having start to be in conversation with each other. Journalist, National Humanities Medalist, and bestselling author Krista Tippett has created a singular space for reflection and conversation in American and global public life. I think thats very true. for it again, the hazardous The wonder of biomimicry. Starting Thursday, February 2: three months of soaring new On Being conversations, with an eye towards emergence. She is a former host of the poetry podcast, The Slowdown, and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. I feel like I could hear that response, right? a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. [laughter] But I mean, Ive listened to every podcast shes done, so Im aware. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course. to pick with whoever is in charge. So, On Preparing the Body for a Reopened World.. Yeah. capture, capture, capture. At human pace, they are enlivening the world that they can see and touch. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us . We believe healthy spiritual inquiry propels us outside the boundaries of the self, into the world. This is science that invites us to nourish the brains we need, young and old, to live in this world. just the bottlebrush alive I never go there very much anymore. , its woven through everything. Page 87. The Hearthland Foundation. Only my head is for you. like water, elemental, and best when its humbled, brought to its knees, clung to by someone who. Tippett: And then Joint Custody from The Hurting Kind. I also think aging is underrated. It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. The conversation that resulted with the Jewish-Buddhist teacher and psychotherapist Sylvia Boorstein has been a companion to her and to many from that day forward. I feel like theres so many elements to that discovery. The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full, of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising, to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the mystery of others. into anothers green skin, And that there was this break when we moved from pictographic language, which is characters which directly refer to the things spoken, and when we moved to the phonetic alphabet. rolling their trash bins out, after all of this is over? So maybe just to use a natural world metaphor to just dip our toes into the water, would you read Sanctuary? of the world is both gaze Yeah, I had a moment where I hadnt realized how delighted I was to go about my world without my body. And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. Tippett: Something I remember reading is that you grew up in an English-speaking household, but your paternal grandfather spoke Spanish and that you just loved to listen to him. I wonder if Im here again today or in a new place. And that was really essential to my practice of who I was as a creative person in the middle of such an enormous tragedy. So Im hoping. Youre never like, Oh, Im just done grieving. I mean, you can pretend you are, right, but we arent. And its true. We orient away from the closure of fear and towards the opening of curiosity. (Always, always there is war and bombs.) Nothing, nothing is funny. water, enough sorrow, enough of the air and its ease, So at this point in my notes, I have three words in bold with exclamation points. Because there are a lot of unhelpful things that have been told to me. Krista Tippett: I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. And honestly, this feels to me like if I were teaching a college class, I would have somebody read this poem and say, Discuss.. Because how do we care for one another? Lean Spirituality. What were talking about and not when we talk about mental health. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?, And hes like, Are you trying to ask me what the weather is?. And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. and isnt that enough? like sustenance, a song where the notes are sung I never go there very much anymore. Before the new marriage. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. You should take a nap.. And then thats also the space for us to sort of walk in as a reader being like, Whats happening here? And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. Out here, theres a bowing even the trees are doing. Learn more at. Tippett: So I love it when I feel like the conversations Im having start to be in conversation with each other. Krista Tippett is Peabody Award-winning broadcaster and New York Times best-selling author. creeks, two highways, two stepparents I do feel like you were one of the people who was really writing with care and precision and curiosity about what we were going through. Limn: And then you go, Oh no, no, thats just recycling. So thats in the poem. We touch each other. And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. Tippett: Which also makes it spiritual practice. If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. And I feel like its very interesting when you actually have to get away from it, because you can also do the other thing where you focus too much on the breath. Yet whats most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. by the crane. Groundbreaking Peabody Award-winning conversation about the big questions of meaning, hosted by Krista Tippett. Tippett: Its that Buddhist, the finger pointing at the moon, right? Why dont you read The Quiet Machine? Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. Tippett: The thesis. And thats also not the religious association with Sunday, right? Im really longing I realized as I was preparing for this, Im just Of course, I read poetry, I read a lot of poetry in these last years, but I realized Im craving hearing poetry. Centuries of pleasure before us and after And the Lilly Endowment, an Indianapolis-based, private family foundation dedicated to its founders interests in religion, community development, and education. I was actually born at home. And also that notion and these are other things you said that poetry recognizes our wholeness. It sends us back to work with the raw materials of our lives, understanding that these are always the materials even of change at a cosmic or a societal level. My mother says, Oh yeah, you say that now.. And also, I read somewhere that Sundays were a day that you were moving back and forth between your two homes, your parents divorced and everybody remarried. strong and between sleep, Tippett: I think grief is something that is very We have so much to grieve even as we have so much to walk towards. the drama, and the acquaintances suicide, the long-lost Oh, thank you. And we all have this, our childhood stories. And so I have. And here was something that was so well crafted and people to this day will say its one of the most expert villanelles ever written its so well crafted, and yet it doesnt actually offer any answers. And it wasnt until really, when I was writing that poem that the word came to me. Just the title of this, I feel is such an invitation and not the kind of invitation that was being made. Limn: and you forget how to breathe. Yeah. I am a hearth of spiders these days: a nest of trying. A friend Thank you all for coming. It wasnt used as a tool. And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. Limn: Yeah. But time is more spacious than we imagine it to be, and it is more of a friend than we always know. Tippett: So the poem you wrote, Joint Custody. You get asked to read it. Yeah. Limn: Yeah. I write. Exit Sometimes its just staring out the window. And I also just wondered if that experience of loving sound and the cadence of this language that was yours and not yours, if that also flowed into this love of poetry. We get curious, we interrogate, and we ask over and over again. We want to rise to what is beautiful and life-giving. Limn: [laughs] Yeah. And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. April 4, 2008. Tippett: Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Weve come this far, survived this much. And now Tippett has done it again. 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